"Cliches are frayed teeth trying to feed a hungry old soul
Words of love, though, will bite back all of those tears"--JB

The following words have been shared by participants of one of Mike favorite groups--Digital-Panic, and some of them are correspondences that have been shared with me to post here. I know many are still missing and there may be some redundancy. We'll work on this.

For those who would like to add some more thoughts, the Mike Remmers Memorial Tribute Board is now functioning. Please help us share the love that Mikey brought into our lives.

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"Michele Weitzen" I am still in utter shock. A sweetheart, my big teddy bear that I've been so fortunate to know the last few years, and even more fortunate to be able to live near and see local shows with. Everyone is right, Mike is one of the sweetest, kindest, smiling souls I know.We love him so much, and always will.We are about to go be with his roommate, Mitch.Please call me if you would like us to do anything, light a candle, say a prayer in his presence. 303 516 9223Smile, No retreat, No surrender.Remmers, your light will always remain with me.

From: Jayne Clamp Subject: A Great Friend... Dear Friends,A few words about my dear friend Mike Remmers. We are hurting deeply to losesuch a goodfriend. Earlier this year I posted a Happy Birthday to Mike and in doing so,this causedme to ponder deeply on who he is and what his friendship means to both myselfand Jamie.At that moment, it occurred to me that Mike was the most real, genuine guy Iknew. Ican't even begin to tell you the stories of how much Mike has done for us andcountlessothers.We are shocked to lose one of our best friends. It brings me peace that he diedin hissleep, Mike leaving us quietly. His life represents all things good: he strivedto bekind to everyone, he did what the hell he wanted to not giving into the normsof societyand middle age. Mike represented freedom and love, someone really real- a truefreespirit. And he loved music dearly....This is probably the toughest thing I've had to write in such a state of shockandsadness, Jamie and I are in pain but we know that Mike loved life dearly andalways did what he wanted so this knowledge does bring me some sense of peace.One of my favorite memories was one time when he stayed with us for a couple ofdays. He, Jamie, and Alan Schwartz decided to stay up all night to party while I had towork thenext morning. Mike was the first to go to sleep and after I left for work thatmorning,he was asleep on the couch (sitting up). Later on that morning, he ended upwaking up inour bed and Jamie, who went to sleep on the bed, was somehow sleeping on thecouch. Westill can't figure out what happened that night but needless to say they bothwoke upquite a bit freaked out at the possibilities. Mike- always making you laugh,smile andgiving praise for a such true genuine spirit. And that's just one story...Mike, Jamie and I and the dogs love you dearly....and while our pain is big, weknow thatyou lived a damn good life, loving every moment of it."It feels good to watch a big man dance."Love, Jayne

From: Jamieson Syrek Subject: To an amazing soul... It is hard to put to words what Jayne and I are feeling right now. Mike was arare individual, one who never let you down, was always there with a smile, andone who always made you appreciate life and how it should be lived. The news Ireceived today was tragic. I am simply at a loss, and no amount of tears canever replace what my life is now missing. I had always lived my life aspiringto be what Mike Remmers was: a happy, joyful soul, who possessed a certainmagic that just made people happy. Everyone that met Mike loved him, that isjust the way he was. I think it must have been Red Rocks 98 that I first met Mike. Like many of youwe ventured over to his house in Golden to enjoy one of his famous BBQ parties. I remember being in shock that someone could open up his house to anyone whohappened to stop by, providing food, drink and music. I remembered thatgenerousity and returned it by offering him a place to stay whenever he needed. Mike loved to travel and it seemed he was always on the road. We wouldusually get a call from Mike when he was near Chicago, and he would usually endup stopping by our place and staying for a few days. The times we had willalways be dear to me, and it hurts so much to know that there will be onlymemories of those times. I loved the way Mike would always refer to us as"young kids", yet he certainly wasn't too far removed from that himself. I amgoing to miss getting those calls from Mike, and I am going to miss hanging outwith him, only to find him snoring away on the couch a bit later.What a warm soul we lost, a true friend to anyone that crossed his path. Thinking back to all the times we shared with him just makes you realize thathe is one of the people that really influence your life. Hopefully we'll allgrow better from this, learn to love more and be the happy big guy that neverhad a bad thing to say about anyone. Mike would want us all to be happy, andthrough these tears there is still the memories of the happiness that Mikebrought to our lives. Jayne and I have always been touched by the warmth ofMike and if you knew him, take some time to cherish what we have gained fromhim. There is no easy way to get through this, but atleast try to takesomething from this and love your life and the people you share it with. Everystranger is simply a good friend that you haven't yet met. Mike taught methis.Mike you will be forever in our hearts and minds, as you have touched us likeno other.Take care everyone and if anyone needs someone to talk to please give Jayne and I a call.Jamie

From: gradlwsp@a...Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 9:27 pmSubject: no retreat no surrender I am deeply saddened.i'm rarely at a loss for words, but right now, i'm at a loss.I wish we could all embrace and celebrate Mike's life together. I send my love to all of you. Mike, I know you are in a peaceful place and will continue to shine your light, laughter and wisdom on all of us. We love you. you will always be in our hearts.so much loveMindylu

From: Jamieson Syrek Subject: This song has a whole new meaning... Gimme a hand there, Michael.I'll give you a hand then, too.Gimme a hand there, Michael.I'd give you my heart if I could.Throw myself at the ground.Look away before I hit.Give me a lift here, Larry.I'll give you a lift here, too.Give me a lift here, Larry.I'd give you my horse if I could.Throw myself at the ground.Look away before I hit.Gimme a kiss there, Tuesday.I'll give you a kiss there, too.I'll give you a kiss there, Tuesday.I'd give you my heart,I'd give you my heart if I could!

From: Scott Holcomb Subject: Mike... I can't believe Mike is gone. I'm struggling to type this now, but I feel I have to say good-bye to my dear friend. My earliest remembrance of Mike is sitting in Jerry Crane's place for the gathering on 12/30/96. We didn't actually meet there, but I remember seeing him there. We met at some point after that. My fondest memory of Mike is from Red Rocks '98, not the Panic shows, but the Telluride at the Rocks festival a couple days later. I went to that show solo, and was flying back the next day. I saw Mike there, and he invited me to join his group of friends. We had a great time together. When he found out that I didn't have a place to stay, he graciously offered up his place so that I wouldn't have to spend the money on a hotel room. The next morning, he was there to get me up and on my way. I always enjoy seeing Mike. We had a great time last year after the Delaware show where Bryan, Carman, and I met up with him and we all stayed at the Irby's place.I still had my copy of 10/9/89 in the car today due to the anniversary yesterday, and I listened to Death Don't Have No Mercy during lunch. I thought about how that was the song that came on when I first got into the car after my grandmother died some years. Unfortunately, now I've got another kind soul to associate with that song.Mike, I'll miss you. You were and still are an amazing person. It pains me to hear you've left us.

From: gradlwsp@a...Subject: No Retreat No Surrender - Song For Mike Everytime i'd see him he had a smile on his face and everytime he offered me a warm hug to embrace Everytime in his presence he would lighten up the place and then he'd say No Retreat No surrender No Retreat No surrender No Retreat No surrender thats how he lived his life He opened up his heart and home to strangers and to friends He loved the music with all his soul his life it did depend on a song No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender the motto of his life So why do all the good guys die? so young, so kind, so generous I'll never understand why it seems so damn cliche to say that we all have our time to say goodbye No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender Time to say goodbye So i sit here with the silence then i pick up my guitar we know you're in a better place yes we know where you are Pleas shine on us your wisdom Pleas shine on us your light and always say No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender shine on us your light No Retreat No Surrender shine on us your light No Retreat No Surrender shine on us your light Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:57:33 -0400

From: John Lynch
Subject: We'll miss you Mike Shocked and saddened by the news. Mike was one of the kindest souls I've met in/on the Panic scene. I met Mike in 99 at his annual Red Rocks party. I thought to myself, what a great guy to open his house to total strangers, feed them and make them feel at home. Thanks for all the great memories and music. "NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER" Lynchie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:57:52 -0400

From: Carter Lyle
Subject: Happy Mike story I met Mike at the Blueground Undergrass pre-show party/BBQ before the Athens 98 show. If I remember correctly the band at one point said that they would take requests if they were written on a $20 bill. I saw Mike handed one the bandmembers some money, followed by a sweeeett How Mtn Girls Can Love.... Wow.... Carter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:18:08 -0700

From: Kevin Rock
Subject: Re: Please share Love and Hugs
Mike was the first bonified, certified widespread panified friend that I made here in Colorado after I moved here from Athens. I answered one of his countless b/p offers and noticed that his address was in Golden, 15 minutes from where I lived. I went over to his house one afternoon and was treated to some really great DATs. Over time Mike introduced me and my lady to all of his local family. They are all great people, but Mike was truly a gem. I never once found him in a foul mood, he was always as kind and generous as that first time I met him. Mike's house on 5th St. in Golden was always the place to be before or after countless shows at nearby RedRocks. He had folks over every Panic Saturday and was a gracious host, providing drinks and food to folks both known and unknown. My favorite memory is this past year on Sunday night after the Panic. The show ended at sundown and there was a huge 'get-down' in the lot as noone knew how to post panic party when it wasn't even dark. Well, we knew just what to do... Got in the car and headed to Mike and Mitch's to see what was up. I was happy to find a huge gathering of folks still warm with the post-panic glow. This was not a planned party, but it was the craziest most fun thing I have ever been to. I met alot of folks for the first time that night. I had to work the next day and split from the party at around 12:30. I left the love of my life at there with full confidence that she would be taken care of by Papa Bear, Mike Remmers. Fare the well my friend, may the road rise up to meet you. No Retreat, No Surrender, All the love in my heart, Kevin (Gallarock) Raymond Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:27:56 -0600

From: Michele Weitzen
Subject: Spread the Love I am still in utter shock. A sweetheart, my big teddy bear that I've been so fortunate to know the last few years, and even more fortunate to be able to live near and see local shows with. Everyone is right, Mike is one of the sweetest, kindest, smiling souls I know. We love him so much, and always will. We are about to go be with his roommate, Mitch. Please call me if you would like us to do anything, light a candle, say a prayer in his presence. 303 516 9223 Smile, No retreat, No surrender. Remmers, your light will always remain with me. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:33:04 EDT

From: Marc Natelsky
Subject: Mike Remmers After talking to Mike Remmers many, many times at SonicSense, I finally got to meet him this year at RedRocks and Larkspur. A truly wonderful, kind guy. My sympathies go out to his friends and family. Mike, we'll all miss you. Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:39:35 -0700

From: Jayne Clamp
Subject: A Great Friend Dear Friends, A few words about my dear friend Mike Remmers. We are hurting deeply to lose such a good friend. Earlier this year I posted a Happy Birthday to Mike and in doing so, this caused me to ponder deeply on who he is and what his friendship means to both myself and Jamie. At that moment, it occurred to me that Mike was the most real, genuine guy I knew. I can't even begin to tell you the stories of how much Mike has done for us and countless others. We are shocked to lose one of our best friends. It brings me peace that he died in his sleep, Mike leaving us quietly. His life represents all things good: he strived to be kind to everyone, he did what the hell he wanted to not giving into the norms of society and middle age. Mike represented freedom and love, someone really real- a true free spirit. And he loved music dearly.... This is probably the toughest thing I've had to write in such a state of shock and sadness, Jamie and I are in pain but we know that Mike loved life dearly and always did what he wanted so this knowledge does bring me some sense of peace. One of my favorite memories was one time when he stayed with us for a couple of days. He, Jamie, and Alan Schwartz decided to stay up all night to party while I had to work the next morning. Mike was the first to go to sleep and after I left for work that morning, he was asleep on the couch (sitting up). Later on that morning, he ended up waking up in our bed and Jamie, who went to sleep on the bed, was somehow sleeping on the couch. We still can't figure out what happened that night but needless to say they both woke up quite a bit freaked out at the possibilities. Mike- always making you laugh, smile and giving praise for a such true genuine spirit. And that's just one story... Mike, Jamie and I and the dogs love you dearly....and while our pain is big, we know that you lived a damn good life, loving every moment of it. "It feels good to watch a big man dance." Love, Jayne Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:47:33 -0700

From: jason mohlman
Subject: my thoughts i've definitely spent enough time with mike to know that all of the kind words said about him so far are true. some people exude these qualities to all...with some people you have to dig a little deeper, or just know them for a bit longer. i won't ramble on, but i want to say that i'm proud to be a member of this community of loving, caring individuals who so eagerly come out to help those in need or in pain. i'll miss ya, mike! -j Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:56:59 -0400

From: Mark Brut
Subject: Re: RIP Mike Remmers No Retreat, No Surrender indeed...keep moving forward even when it's tough. Good words to live by because you TRULY never know. I too was shocked by this news. I have been reading Mike's posts for years, and finally got to meet him as he opened his house to everyone before Red Rocks this past year. In the short while I got to chat with him, I could tell he was one of the good ones. I think the wall of photographs in his house say it all of a life spent pursuing live music and the bliss associated with it and the other people that do it. It looks like he left it all on the field. Fare the well... MARK Dax Burroughs wrote: > Apparently he passed away this morning according to Digi-Panic. I have no > details but god forbid this was a hoax. After years and years of reading > his posts I finally met him for a brief moment in the last year. At this > moment, I cannot remember if it was San Fran at the Gades of NYE at TTF's > house. Either way, I was glad to meet the man who was always willing to > make great posts and give it up for the scene and our favorite band. > > As Mike says, and I hope he carries this with him to wherever his travels > will take him now (choose your religion), > > No Retreat, No Surrender. > > Dax Burroughs > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:08:50 -0700

From: Jamieson Syrek
Subject: To an amazing soul... It is hard to put to words what Jayne and I are feeling right now. Mike was a rare individual, one who never let you down, was always there with a smile, and one who always made you appreciate life and how it should be lived. The news I received today was tragic. I am simply at a loss, and no amount of tears can ever replace what my life is now missing. I had always lived my life aspiring to be what Mike Remmers was: a happy, joyful soul, who possessed a certain magic that just made people happy. Everyone that met Mike loved him, that is just the way he was. I think it must have been Red Rocks 98 that I first met Mike. Like many of you we ventured over to his house in Golden to enjoy one of his famous BBQ parties. I remember being in shock that someone could open up his house to anyone who happened to stop by, providing food, drink and music. I remembered that generousity and returned it by offering him a place to stay whenever he needed. Mike loved to travel and it seemed he was always on the road. We would usually get a call from Mike when he was near Chicago, and he would usually end up stopping by our place and staying for a few days. The times we had will always be dear to me, and it hurts so much to know that there will be only memories of those times. I loved the way Mike would always refer to us as "young kids", yet he certainly wasn't too far removed from that himself. I am going to miss getting those calls from Mike, and I am going to miss hanging out with him, only to find him snoring away on the couch a bit later. What a warm soul we lost, a true friend to anyone that crossed his path. Thinking back to all the times we shared with him just makes you realize that he is one of the people that really influence your life. Hopefully we'll all grow better from this, learn to love more and be the happy big guy that never had a bad thing to say about anyone. Mike would want us all to be happy, and through these tears there is still the memories of the happiness that Mike brought to our lives. Jayne and I have always been touched by the warmth of Mike and if you knew him, take some time to cherish what we have gained from him. There is no easy way to get through this, but atleast try to take something from this and love your life and the people you share it with. Every stranger is simply a good friend that you haven't yet met. Mike taught me this. Mike you will be forever in our hearts and minds, as you have touched us like no other. Take care everyone and if anyone needs someone to talk to please give Jayne and I a call. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:38:41 -0500

From: Trey Woodruff
Subject: Today Well a great man and friend in music and in life passed away, and I was left with my music to help me cope and make it through. I popped in a show I just recently transferred to disk, 11-6-96. I listened to a perfect recording with soul and feeling oozing from the band I love. The show ends with a great version of Keep on Rockin in The Free World. I just listened to that song again and was struck with pride. A different feeling came over me and I was taken away, temporarily, from the reality of today's and recent events. What a feeling!!! So if you too need an escape as this, email me for this 2 disk B&P, source AKG 391>oade. Thanks Eli Akins. Trey Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:04:48 -0700

From: Jamieson Syrek
Subject: This song has a whole new meaning... Gimme a hand there, Michael. I'll give you a hand then, too. Gimme a hand there, Michael. I'd give you my heart if I could. Throw myself at the ground. Look away before I hit. Give me a lift here, Larry. I'll give you a lift here, too. Give me a lift here, Larry. I'd give you my horse if I could. Throw myself at the ground. Look away before I hit. Gimme a kiss there, Tuesday. I'll give you a kiss there, too. I'll give you a kiss there, Tuesday. I'd give you my heart, I'd give you my heart if I could! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:15:10 -0400

From: Andrew Nix
Subject: Re: The Hardest Post I've Ever Made Hey ya'll, I didn't know Mike personally, but knew of him. I experienced a similar loss early this year of a friend and fellow homebrewer. Kenny was one of the best brewers you'd ever meet. Turned pro and brewed New River Pale Ale which won the bronze medal at the Great American Beer Festival. I learned of his death at age 34 from a heart attack less than 12 hours after his passing and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I didn't know how to feel the rest of the day. This is the only way I know how to relate to the loss of your close friend. I know how each of you who knew Mike and called him your friend (he seems to have had lots) feel right now and you have my sympathy. "No man is poor who has friends"..... Peace and Panic... Drewmeister Andrew Nix Department of Mechanical Engineering Virginia Tech anix@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/A/anix ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:17:57 -0700

From: Brad Burleson
Subject: Mike was all good Mike was a great guy. I traded with him a few times, passed a few emails sharing info and finally got to meet him this year at the Merle Watson Bluegrass Fest in North Carolina. he was loved by alot of folks, that in itself is a really good measure of the man. Be good Mike "No Retreat, No Surrender" Brad "To Keep From Falling, We Dance" - M. Kundra Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:29:11 -0700

From: Sean Hernan
Subject: for those of you who loved Mike Hello all, My heart felt feelings go out to you all. I didnt know Mike although we had emailed a few times. And I dont know most of you although many of us have probably crossed paths. But I have felt loss and I have felt like pain had become my only companion. And although I didnt know if I would ever feel better, I did eventually find the light at the end of that tunnel. My point is if any of you want to talk to someone or just vent, I'll listen. And share my experience if that helps. May peace rush in your direction. A brother you might not have known you had, Sean Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:35:32 -0500

From: Jeffrey Frank
Subject: The Greek won't be the same What more can be said? There is no way anyone can overstate the goodness that was Mike's essense. He, more than probably anyone I have ever met, exuded nothing but positive joy. I encourage all of who had the fortune of knowing him to visualize his face when you would run into him at a show and shake his hand or hug him. Smile the smile that you know would effortlessly cross your face. Now carry that with you forever. It's eerie timing that he passed away when the most famous of Mike's is making his comeback. You all know, however who I am referring to when I say: "I want to be like Mike" Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:22:03 EDT

From: Wsp1x1@aol.com
Subject: Mike I never personally met Mike but his "No Retreat, No Surrender" motto had always struck me as unique. I always enjoyed his tech posts to Digi Panic and S-net (in the old days). The were always worth reading. One of my fondest memories of him was at Islands of Adventure this past January at the JB shows. He didnt know who I was but we saw him numerous times around the park with that HUGE tie-dye stealie shirt he was wearing and always enjoyed the reaction of the people that saw him and his buddies everytime we would walk by. You know it's wierd to see someone post only yesterday about taking taping gear on a flight and then to hear that they are gone. Anyway tell everyone you love them everytime you see em, you dont know when it will be your last time to see em. "Now the sweet bells of mercy Drift through the evening trees" No Retreat, No Surrender - RIP Mike Jason Bragg "As Panic grabbed my legs you know, it pulled me in" -Mike Houser ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:19:06 -0400

From: Steve Washick
mike had a heart of gold. he got me a one of those refurbished d7s a few years back when the sony outlets were getting rid of them. i never met him before, asked him if he could get me one, and before i could even send him a check a d7 showed up in my mailbox. neither of my d8s work very well anymore, i'm pretty much down to that d7. from here on out i'm sure i'll think of mike every time i use it. much respect, steve

From: nfisher2@excite.com
Subject: RIP Wow, don't really know what to say, but feel I need to post. I got the call last night, truly a shocker. I've known Mike since summer 98, when he was so kind to have a bunch of us complete strangers over to his house before the RR shows. A truly great brother and I always looked forward to crossing paths with him. He helped me out on many occasions and I cannot be thankful enough for having the chance in life to know such a great person. My thoughts and my prayers go out to his family, friends, the Colorado crew and everyone that had the chance to get to know Mike. I also want to say that my thoughts and prayers are with Marc and his SonicSense Family, keep your heads up and we are here for you if you need anything. "No Retreat, No Surrender " Nate Fisher

From: Alan Schwartz
Subject: "No Retreat, No Surrender" Mike Remmers was an example for us all. When you saw Mike, he would be smiling and laughing. He lived life how he wanted and had a good time doing it. He befriended total strangers, invited them into his home and would give the shirt off his back if you needed it even if you had just met and he didn't have another. I met Mike in the summer of 1998. I did Portland -> Red Rocks in a Ryder truck with Mike Wheeler and his little brother. We slept in the Ryder when we weren't driving to or from one of the shows. We were on our way to Red Rocks and Wheeler tells me about this guy that invited everyone on Spreadnet to his house before the Red Rocks shows every year. I had traded with Remmers before, but didn't know him. Wheeler had gone the year before and was sure that Remmers would open his home to us. We were prepared to sleep in the Ryder somewhere in Colorado, but Remmers wouldn't allow it - we were staying with him. He took care of us for the rest of our trip, gave us whatever we needed, hooked friends up with tickets to the show at the very last minute. Needless to say, when I went back to Red rocks in 1999 and 2000, Mike's party was a stop that had to be made and I tried to do what I could to help anyone that showed up. They grew bigger and everyone was so friendly and everyone had ! ! a great time. Mike really knew how to make people smile. Any time Panic, Phil or String Cheese were in or near Atlanta I would expect Mike to be staying at my place. He knew he was always invited; it didn't even have to be said. I expected Mike to stay at my place for New Years this year even though we had not spoken about it. I will also cherish the times spent in the Midwest with Remmers, Jamie and Jayne - if there was a show to see nearby, you knew he would be there to help spread the joy. If you want to honor Mike Remmers, it's easy. Smile, do what you like, live life to the fullest, invite people into your home and into your life, start conversations with people you do not know and spread the love. Next time Panic is in your town, have a gathering and share what you have with people you do not know. I feel extreme sorrow for his family and friends in Colorado and Nebraska. Mike Remmers was a great friend and will truly be missed. I wish I could be there with you all. Devastated, Alan Schwartz "No Retreat, No Surrender" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:51:05 -0400

From: wade
Subject: out of touch i haven't checked this account in over a week, and was taking some time catching up on digests, and i can't say much other than i'm absolutely floored. i met mike a few times (all in recent years--i don't get out of VA much), although i knew him a lot longer via email than personally, and without a doubt, he was one of the kindest, sweetest human beings ever. ever. "no retreat, no surrender" was one of the things i've always admired about him. it's the only way to live. my heart goes out to everyone. we're all we've got. wade ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:56:17 -0600

From: Michele Weitzen
Subject: memorial Can I request that all you FOB'ers have some sort of memorial in FOB land for Mike each night this tour?? I wont be there to share it, but I can only smile thinking about everyone remembering him like that. Gawd, he will be missed!

From: Brad Young
Subject: smiling assasins tour comes to mobile i dont know about the rest of the dates, But i do know that they will be at he soul kitchen in mobile, al in late feb. tickets for this show go on sale in the next few weeks. if you are interested in getting tickets for this mail me privately. brad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:34:29 -0400

From: Eric Creighton
Subject: Memories Of Mike Ya know I signed off these lists the other day, but there is something that I need to say here for me. I really can't add any description of Mike that hasn't been portrayed in previous posts. Last night I went to Stagger's apartment to have a nice night of boozin, but when I got there and heard the news I was floored. I had a hard time sleeping last night, as memories of Mike flew around in my head which led to tangent after tangent of my own thoughts. I can't even remember the first time I met the man, but I know that he has impacted me as he had so many on and off this list. One memory of Mike that stuck in my head and really taught me to be a better person happened in Raleigh this last Spring. Starting off with a little background, I got into taping to make shows more accessible to my friends around me at the time, not knowing anything of the amazing communities that I was really getting into. Over the years I had become tainted by the need for certain quality microphones, not wanting to bother with some patchers, especially mini disc. But watching Mike at Raleigh take on several patchers with no bias made me realize exactly the kind of person that I strived to be. You could have brought a reel to reel into a show and Mike would have made space for ya and ran the thing so that you could enjoy the show with no worries. This in no way represents him as a whole, it only is one account of how he was affected one person. Yet there are thousands of people out there like me that have many stories like this about a man that was as great as Mike Remmers. If you knew Mike, then you know what I am talking about and if you didn't, well he loved you just the same. We have lost a great friend, but the world has lost a great soul. Eric ===== No Retreat No Surrender Forever.

From: Michele Weitzen
Subject: Re: memorial I agree. Perhaps you can all put your stands in a circle, leaving a lil room for mike. Ya know, so no dumbfucks can get in, and folks can know where his spirit can boogie. And me and stacey will for SURE organize somethin for mikes party pre rr saturday. you can all count on it!!!!!

From: Eric Creighton
To: Michele Weitzen >Subject: Re: memorial Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) I can tell you this. I will definitely get something >for the shows that I am at. Also I know it is a long >time in advance, but I believe that there needs to be >a BBQ next year somewhere for RR. It has to be done >cause Mike would have wanted it to. > >Creighton > >Even if it is at a local Restaurant and not a house. >I think that would be a special thing. > > >--- Michele Weitzen wrote: > > Can I request that all you FOB'ers have some sort of > > memorial in FOB land > > for Mike each night this tour?? > > I wont be there to share it, but I can only smile > > thinking about everyone > > remembering him like that. > > Gawd, he will be missed! > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:00:05 EDT

From: John Adams
Subject: the passing on of a friend...not the death of one I have read all the the posts about Mikey...its all true,,..and all the love he has shown will be with us until we will see him again...after moving back to colorado 2 years-ago..Iam am proud to call Mikey a true friend of mine in a world of few...no words can express my feellings, only the tears rolling down my face..I will deeply miss you my friend...but we will meet again...so enjoy your last tour my friend, and I know it will sound better up there then on a dam 24/96 :(....................() peace and panic to Mikey...love your friend John Chirstopher Adams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:17:14 -0600

From: Paul Haun
Subject: In Remembrance... I have just now begun to be able to put this in words ...Last night, a few of us went down to Golden to share love and hugs...all friends there for a reason we were not wanting, to see and meet each other, but it brought smiles and warmth to our faces and hearts...it was great seeing pictures of Mike and others on "the wall of music", all smiles and having a good time...that is what Mike always allotted time for, was to live his life to the fullest, for there would be "nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile"... ...outside was a single, white, pure candle signifying all the peace and comfort that was present and is present in his life...as well as a bottle of tequila :), one of mike's favorites...reflection was needed, and I hope you all, as well, have taken that moment(s) to do so... ...I sure am glad I got to hang out with Mike on Friday night...On Thursday, I had an interview that I came out of feeling quite positive of landing something finally...on Friday, I got the call that the "competition was too tough"...so, needless to say, I didn't really feel like going out on Friday...But, I'm sure glad I did...the music was good, and it was great to see his big smiling face...He was expecting me to bring my deck so he could clean it, but I didn't want him to deal with it that night...after Mike heard of my not getting the job, he immediately went and got me a drink...Maker's and Coke, he knew that somehow, don't ask me, that's just the type of person he was...throughout the night, whenever he went to the bar, he would pick me up a drink as well...and all he asked in return was for me to keep an eye on his rig... ...Mike's generosity, love, art, talent, knowledge, pureness, hope, and happiness will linger in us all, even if you didn't know him...He was a proud, caring member of our great community and will live on in our hearts forever...He lived life to it's fullest, living a dream of his for the past few years...who can ask for more??... ...Love from all of us...We will miss you...No Retreat, No Surrender Ode to a Smile Clouded truths fall from ever lingering shadows Yet purity separates the clouds Hopeless rythems of everyday life Can be broken by a heartfelt smile To know the loves of life can never be an obsticale If so, hurdle with all your might To break free from such a diligent cause Love is far to deep for superficiality In moments of sorrow, hunger, and haste Keep strong as you heed the headwinds coming your way But, in moments of joy, love, and faith Smile on my friend, as you did, 'til the very last day Live Long and Lucky, Paul

From: Widespread Mule
Subject: the passing on of a friend Although I never meet Mike, I can tell his time here had an amazing impact on all of you. He seemed like a really special person and a very fine human being. I get chills as a write this because I know how all of you feel and how deep losing a good buddy really hurts. I pray for all of you and Mike's family. This Particular quote was part of the eulogy written by Robert Hunter for Jerry. It has really helped me in my times of loss. "I'll just say I love you which I never said before and let it go at that old friend, the rest you may ignore." Godspeed, Michael ------------------------------

From: "april anne dunlay"
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 8:55 am Subject: mike so sad and shocking to read this news. mike remmers was indeed a wonderful, bright soul. most of all, i loved his laugh - and he could easily make others laugh just as hard. i remember an early morning debate at harmony park over the subjects of 'rock stars'. that rock stars don't 'really' live the rock and roll lifestyle. (i believe that the conversation was prompted by a discussion of sci and their unrockstarlike personas) mike didn't miss a beat and he said - 'bullshit - look at roger daltry - now HE is a rock star'. i'm not sure why it struck me as so funny - but mike was sincere and seemed to always have the cred to back up whatever he was saying. it is always hard to make sense out of the senseless. i've been trying with all my might to figure out life and death and the meaning of it all for the past six months. mike showed us what it was like to live a joyful life. i love you, mike - thank you for sharing so much of yourself with so many.april------------------------What is Death? byHenry Scott Holland1847-1918Canon of St. Paul's Cathedral Death is nothing at all. I have only slipped away into the next room.I am I and you are you.Whatever we were to each other, that we still are.Call me by my old familiar name .Speak to me in the easy way which you always used.Put no difference in your tone.Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow.Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes we enjoyed together.Play, smile, think of me, pray for me.Let my name be ever the household word that it always was.Let it be spoken without affect, without the trace of a shadow on it.Life means all that it ever meant.It is the same that it ever was.There is absolutely unbroken continuity.Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight?I am waiting for you, for an interval, somewhere very near, just around the corner.All is well.

From: gradlwsp@a...Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 9:32 amSubject: A Candle Burning A Candle will be burning on stage all throughout this weekend to honor and celebrate Mike. DAS is bringing the candle.

From: tswoodard@a...Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 12:07 pmSubject: Mike I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said. He is a kind soul andI never, ever saw him when he wasn't smiling. I was thinking that we shouldhave him with us this Fall tour, well he will be anyway, but maybe we couldcome up w/something to honor him as we enjoy the shows just the way he wouldhave.I was thinking maybe a patch or a sticker that we could wear at every show. Maybe a small sticker like mlu's glitter panic, that says no retreat, nosurrender. just a thought.RR is always about mike remmers and i've seen him there the past four. Alsocountless times across this country , everywhere imaginable. What might standout the most to me is when my unbelievable friends here in atlanta sent me todenver Feb. 9&10 for my birthday shows with Phil and Friends at the Filmore. One of the first people I spotted was Mike and he gave me a great big hug, asusual, and wished me a happy birthday, and i had no idea he knew i was therefor my birthday. He was genuinely excited for me. Our community has lost oneof our best. We have individually lost a great friend. Now, it's up to us tofill the gap that he has left us. It's up to us to fill his shoes the best wecan, and it won't be easy. As Mike would probably want us to do.....smile,smile, smile.Love you all,Tracy

From: Drew Newman
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 12:18 pmSubject: An offer from Mike to Me to You I figure helping spread some of the music that Mike recorded and loved might bea good way to "share his warmth" with others.In February I went out to CO for a little break from reality. Coincidentally,Phil and Friends was playing 2 nights at the Fillmore in Denver. I was onlyable to make the 2nd show. I remember standing there next to Mike during thefirst set when P&F played "Keep on Growin" for the first time. To me, this songwas nothing more than a rare gem I recalled having on an old Dead bootleg, fromthe Greek (coincicentally) in 84 I beleive. Anyway, I was happy to actually behearing it live. I looked at Mike, saw his joy too and said something to theeffect of "yeah, I am really happy to finally be hearing this live" He lookedat me, smiled, and said something like "yeah me too, I havent heard it sincethe Greek in 84!" I couldnt help but laugh. Here I was thinking back to a dustyold bootleg and there Mike was conjuring up memories of the Greek in 84. Musicwas his passion and we are all better off because of that.After returning home, I touched base w/ Mike attempting to get a copy of the2nd nights show. In true Remmers form, he sent me copies of both nights. So, I'll take as many as I can for either night, 2/9/01 or 2/10/01. 3 discseach.Thanks Mike for never retreating and never surrendering. Drew

From: "Sarah Yatzeck"
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 12:44 pmSubject: I hardly knew him I rarely post to this list but I feel I have to say something on this sad, sadday. I still consider myself a newbie, having seen my first Panic show inspring 2000, but ever since then, like the rest of you, I've wanted more moremore. I live in Chicago so I've been lucky enough to meet many people who sharethe crazy Panic love over the past year. My first time 'on tour' was thisspring when Eric Creighton was kind enough to take me along to the first threeshows of spring tour. We had a day off in between the first two shows and Iremember we debated about whether to see Phil in Asheville that day. Althoughas usual the side trip got more expensive than originally planned, as we endedup having to take this bogus 'suite' at a nearby hotel because nothing else wasleft by the time we arrived 30 minutes before the show started...but now I amso glad we went to Asheville that day, because that is the day I met MikeRemmers. I never got to know him well, but I remember thinki!ng it was so cool that he got to travel around doing exactly what he wanted todo, and his beautiful kind soul shone through even on that first night I methim. He gave me my first little bit of insight on the nature of the Panicscene, remarking that so many of the people in this scene are some sort of'professionals' who are making enough money and vacation time to follow theirfavorite band all over the country. This was new to me as a college kid who hadonly experienced the Phish world of 'tour rats', and it made me feel bettermany times when I was frustrated about not being able to make as many shows asI wanted to…I just thought hey, I'm not there yet, but in a couple years, if Iwant to be, I'll be doing that too. My only other memory of Mike is from Harmony Park this summer. I'm not sure heremembered me from Asheville, but he was unforgettable. My friend Lily and Idrove all night with Jayne, Jamie, Josh, Drew, Chip, Warren and Stacy after theMilwaukee show to get to Harmony, and I guess because I read somewhere 'gatesopen at noon' I was sure there would be a long line of cars waiting to get in -but no, there were already many people there when we arrived, and Mike hadsaved us a camping spot near the front and was already sleeping in his tentwhen we arrived. What a sweetie. I feel very young and I can't believe thatsomeone I met so recently has passed on. I wish I had been able to spend moretime with him, but I feel lucky that I got any time at all. I had to run to thebathroom and cry at work when I was reading all your posts about Mike - eventhough I hardly knew him, the tragedy has touched us all. A big hug and muchlove to you all - if Mike's passing has affected me this! much, I know you must be hurting so much more. Mike will always be with us. Sarah

From: "Carman"
Subject: Mike Carman & I are eventually planning to relocate out west, and the opportunity to be closer to Mike was truly one of the factors that made that move sound so appealing. To think that we'll never get to see him again, well... I don't have the words to express how sad we are.It seems that most of the contact Carman & I have with many of the friends we've made through Panic over the years is limited to a quick "Hey!" at shows, brief exchanges that I'm happy to have, but always wish could be much longer. Mike was one of those folks we were lucky enough to have more than just brief exchanges with (and I think that was in part due to his remarkable personality - 'genuine' indeed, as has been said of him). We will always treasure our first meeting him (Red Rocks '97, where he really took the time to talk to us amidst the mild chaos of his big Spreadnet party), sharing a room with him (despite a snore that could tear the walls down) at NYE '98, Myrtle Beach 2000, and that smiling face that livened up so many shows in between.It's tragic, but also comforting to know that in the past 2 years or so since he quit his 'real job', he had been living, in his words, a 'dream come true'. As we saw when he stayed with us on his east coast pilgrimage during spring of last year, he was living the 'retirement' that I think we all hope we can have one day.Rest in peace, Mike. We're better for having known you.Love,Bryan & Carman IrbyPS - everyone please be careful out there. I've already lost 2 friends in the past month. I don't want to lose any more.

From: Christopher Brewer
Subject: A Lover of Music and A Great Friend Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I doubt that I will be able to write anything that will adequately express the loss that one feels when a friend such as Mike "Tiny" Remmers passes from our world. So I will not try. He touched all those that knew him, and many who did not. He taught me much about music, and in doing so, about life. He will be remembered fondly and for the rest of my life. I will miss you brother. "Black Muddy River" Garcia/ Hunter (c)1987 When the last rose of summer pricks my finger And the hot sun chills me to the bone When I can't hear the song for the singer And I can't tell my pillow from a stone I will walk alone by the black muddy river And sing me a song of my own I will walk alone by the black muddy river And sing me a song of my own When the last bolt of sunshine hits the mountain And the stars start to splatter in the sky When the moon splits the southwest horizon With the scream of an eagle on the fly I will walk alone by the black muddy river And listen to the ripples as they moan I will walk alone by the black muddy river And sing me a song of my own Black muddy river Roll on forever I don't care how deep or wide If you got another side Roll muddy river Roll muddy river Black muddy river roll When it seems like the night will last forever And there's nothing left to do but count the years When the strings of my heart start to sever And stones fall from my eyes instead of tears I will walk alone by the black muddy river And dream me a dream of my own I will walk alone by the black muddy river And sing me a song of my own And sing me a song of my own Thank you for the time you were in my life. Peace and godspeed on your journey. - Chris Brewer

From: Daniel Gold
Subject: Mike Remmers "NO Retreat, NO Surrender" no retreat no surrender on the all night drive to harmony park by way of a million red rocks memories remember mike remmers peace friend love,daniel

From: Ballard
Subject: Re: Mr. Mike Remmers X-To: Mike Ward
I feel the need to voice my love and appreciationfor Mike. I remember the first time I met him...justlike the last time I saw him. Like best friends eachtime. He is a highlight of my experience doing what Ilove. Mr. Michael "No Retreat, No Surrender" Remmers will long live in my dreams as long as I do.Mike Rocks!R.I.P you dancin' machine1Love, Ballard

From: Mindy Watkins
Subject: No Retreat No Surrender - Song For Mike
Everytime i'd see him he had a smile on his face and everytime he offered me a warm hug to embrace Everytime in his presence he would lighten up the place and then he'd say No Retreat No surrender No Retreat No surrender No Retreat No surrender thats how he lived his life He opened up his heart and home to strangers and to friends He loved the music with all his soul his life it did depend on a song No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender the motto of his life So why do all the good guys die? so young, so kind, so generous I'll never understand why it seems so damn cliche to say that we all have our time to say goodbye No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender Time to say goodbye So i sit here with the silence then i pick up my guitar we know you're in a better place yes we know where you are Pleas shine on us your wisdom Pleas shine on us your light and always say No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender No Retreat No Surrender shine on us your light No Retreat No Surrender shine on us your light No Retreat No Surrender shine on us your light Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:26:23 -0600 Reply-To: Ted Rockwell

From: Ted Rockwell
Subject: NO Retreat, NO Surrender - just some tears.Mike you were one of the most genuine people I have ever had the pleasure of spending time with. I always ran into you in the strangest places and always knew I would see you again around the corner... But not this time. OH! how could I take for granted that you would be there at the next Red Rocks show, or the next Bluegrass Fest, or the next... You inspire me to be humble, generous, kind, fun, honest, true - But most of all to be myself. OH! I did not realize what you meant to me until you had left forever. I guess there really is no retreat, no surrender. The beginning of fall is very hard for me - I lost my grandfather, uncle and brother during an awful three week stint a few years ago - and now dealing with NYC, remembering old souls, and now losing such a great spirit as Mike... It's all too much. I am not a religious man by any stretch But I would like to suggest everyone say a prayer for Mike - and for everyone going on tour this fall... The band, the crew, your room mate, yourself. May everyone make it safely home, may the road feel cool beneath your feet and may all those old souls find peace. God bless us all and keep us safe. No Retreat, No Surrender, Just some tears And an honest prayer Peace, Ted